Supercharged M3 For Sale

[pauldiss]

Hi Guys,

I am new to the site but have heard alot about it, and I am hoping I can get some advice.

My current car is a 2005 E46 M3 SMG its standard, but I am looking to supercharge it. I was reading an article in performance bmw, which had two supercharged M3 in it, I beleive the black m3 might be for sale as I have read the thread on here, but the silver one is also for sale as stated in the mag.

What would you guys recommend, do I build my own supercharged m3 or is it less of an headache buying one already done.

If anyone can put me in contacted with either owner I would be gratefull,
look forward to reading your comments

Thanks alot,

Paul.

[paul46rider]

speak to roy (550mm) his the man when it comes to supercharging!

[pauldiss]

Okay thanks will do,

I am thinking of buying one already done, but you dont see them for sale very often, thats why I was surprised to see the silver one was for sale.

But I will message roy as you said.

Can anyone comment on the driveability of a supercharged M3, and the difference of power?

Cheers.

[peppernick]

Welcome :)

Have a read ;)

http://forum.evotechnik.net/showthread.php?t=8805

[Davidch]

Hi Mate, welcome to ET.

Have a read on a post from Paul///M3 he is also looking at SC his M3.

[pauldiss]

Cheers guys that was very helpfull,

I have to be honest the SC M3 in the mag for sale, is spot on for me as it is running csl parts, ie cams, manifold, and the csl shift package, plus from what I can understand its the only one running a top of the range motec, it ticks all the boxes, so must have some serious power, does anyone know if its reliable, bit worried about belt snapping now, but I think its still the way to go.

Thanks

Paul

[m3cslboy]

i say build your own S/C car as it will be more fun and something you can be proud of !

nothing wrong with buying a ready made one too, as they are reliable, but lets look at this way the previous owner wanted more power, he must have used that power !! :D !!!

[adood84]

I thought you can't SC an SMG ?? Roy should come along and expline more

[CA Automotive UK]

hi gents

you can SC an smg same way as a manual no problem. The grey car of ours featured in BMW CAR couple months ago was smg as was the black one i brought up to Brunty Sunday .

The csl equipped car you are considering is the second M3 we ever supercharged and is pristine , the owner Dan has looked after it toan almost obsessive level :)

End of the day you will be happy whichever route you take I think :)

Let me know if you need any more info ....

I will be demo ing my new "stage 4 " SC M3 at brunty in about 2 - 3 weeks so will let you all know 'case you want to come along.

regards

[pauldiss]

Thanks for the comments,

I have read the Active website, and you can supercharge an SMG, as the silver M3 is SMG.

I know you get more achievement from building your own car, but I have been there before and found it tough going, and it always cost alot more than you thought.

You're write, if I buy one already done, there is a chance of the car having been thrashed, thats why I was interested in the two M3s in the mag, as they are jersey cars not much room to go fast over there, I understand the black one is a bit of a track car, but its manual so am more interested in the SMG.

Paul

[Auryn]

I thought you can't SC an SMG ?? Roy should come along and expline more

You can and Roy has....he took me for a lap or 2 in it at Bruntingthorpe and its DAMN fast! even faster than a very fast cat who's just had a shot in the pills with a lit welding torch!.....yes....FAST i tell you! and im sure if Shawn wasnt so intent in killing himself trying to drift, his car would have been fast too!

[pauldiss]

Thanks Roy,

Will be in contact with you soon, to discuss my options.

Do you know if Dans car is still for sale?

And is he a member on here?

So Roy do you know the car well, would you say its a good car to go for if still available, does he thrash the car?

Thanks,

Paul

[CA Automotive UK]

Not sure if car is for sale still, but as i say it has been VERY well maintained.

I dont believe Dan has abusively thrashed the car no. But even if one of these cars HAS been used hard that is not necessarily a bad thing as long as the car has been well maintained , after all thats what these cars are built for.

Many an M3 I have taken to Brunty for testing feels so much more responsive and sharp after taking it to the track for the first time , you always notice this on the drive home , I think the extremes of revs and use it achieves on a track tempers and "opens up " the engine in a way you can never replicate on a road and the engine benefits from it as a result.

[pauldiss]

Thanks Roy,

I have heard and read alot about supercharging M3s but is there a turbo package in the pipeline, and is there any advantage over supercharging?

What I would like to do if possible, is to come along to the tuner gp and see one of the cars in action, if you didn't mind.

Cheers,

Paul.

[CA Automotive UK]

for my money , turbocharging is too brutal and changes the character of the car too much. Others will have a different opinion maybe.

look forward to seeing you at the tuner gp . if you can come up to the practice day on the saturday we will give you a drive :)

[M3-SC-AL]

Hi Paul.


sorry for the late response, not often a supercharged M3 post is done and it takes me this long to respond.


the black car in PBMW is my car, Im just considering selling it Im not sure at the moment, just toying, lets be honest what else would I buy thats anywere near as quick. Dannys car is the silver M3 also featured with my car, he was selling it but weve just sat down and had a re-think on what he wants to do, its been sat not being used in the garage under a cover for 6 months, thats how clinical he is with it. Hes not selling it at the moment as its just gone away to have an awful lot of work done, including a bigger blower (more on this soon).

You are correct mine is more of a track car, I have no creature comforts and its been on a strict diet of carbon, carbon and more carbon :D

Like Roy said pop to the TGP and have a chat,I drive my car EVERY day so I pretty much know the supercharging aspect inside and out now.


And roy, Danny....... obsesive......... with his car.... never lol


and mind you, everything is for sale at the right price ;)

laters

Alex

[pauldiss]

Thanks Alex for your reply,

Bit of shame Dan is not selling his car, it would have been perfect for me, can you maybe ask him just to make sure, like you said everything has a price:)

I would have thought it was fast enough, if he doesn't drive it why is he putting more power into it, but why not if you can afford it.

Your car sounds interesting, will be good seeing it in action, what power do you reckon they are both pushing out, I beleive from reading threads on here that stage 2 is good for 499bhp but that would be on a standard car, wouldn't it?

Paul.

[M3-SC-AL]

Um its really hard to say what power these cars produce to be honest mate. Active US qoute 499bhp at the crank for the stage 2 kit but the most Roy has ever seen was less than that. Either way they are still quick enough, when we took mine to Brunty with PBMW (supercar showdown issue) I was pegging wit cars that produce 500 bhp. in the Ferraris case a bit more than that, and I held my own, Im not saying I waas miles ahead cause I wasnt, but if Id been producing less power then I would of had my ass handed to me. Power equals speed and I managed to clock 174.34 mph from a standing start (a record that still stands) and to push a care through the air at those speeds needs some welly.

Back to the question in hand though, with my car I run the stage three kit, the cr that this came off sat on a dyno and knocked out 476bhp at the rear wheels proven, (see chart below) and then did the exactly same on another dyno. so Id be very surpised if mines not close to that, there is no differance between the set up of that car and mine bar the gearbox his was SMG mines a manual.. I still have the cams and some other bits to go into mine so we should see that power figure increase a little ( I hope)

Dannys car outside of the stage two kit runs a few goodies that have made a huge differance to the car, the main one being the Motec ECU which belive me is the muts nuts, it made such a differace and the variation it allows you in the mapping is the best bar none plain and simple he also has cams from the CSL as well as CSL headers which despite many and argument I can assure you ARE different to the standard M3 ones in the earlier cars, this however was a upgrade that BMW did to the M3 later on in is life which you can see by that fact the part numbers are the same (try getting a set though :eek: ) We havnt rolling roaded his car in a while but we are due to in the next month so I will have better idea then, however it does not have a problem keeping up with mine what so ever.. The reason he has decided to pull it out of moth balls again is because he was bored, your right why does he need more power, well I dont help there I told him his car was slow now and he likes to be different.. its gona be mental and very rapid

Im off to Le Mans next week to hack round the Buggati circuit so I'll post some in car vids when I get back, Im going with Porsches, M5's an M6 and a lot of other exotic machinery that gets pulled out the garages over here once in a blue moon so it'll be goo comparisons

Stay Tuned

Dyno of Level 3 kit a on my car

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/alpinaal/djet-lvl3.gif

[M5 SC]

and im sure if Shawn wasnt so intent in killing himself trying to drift, his car would have been fast too!

How else am i supposed to learn???:D Oh yeah we got drifting lessons planned! now that makes more sense than booting it out of corners and trying to drfit that way! actually that was more fun! :) :eek:

[pauldiss]

Cheers for the reply Alex,

Like the dyno graph aswell, am looking forward to tuner gp, you car must be rapid. You not interested in a Motec Ecu? I was looking into it but the one I wanted was big bucks, cheaper supercharging it:D

I bet you and dan must cause havock in jersey with those cars. I was just looking at your bonnet, is it much lighter than a standard bonnet and was it easy to fit, looks the muts nuts:D

Paul.

[318:(]

Alex

nice chart stats

however you may be pleased to know your running a lil' lean.

pump it up to high 13's then do your rolling road!

hopefully you wont want to sell the car after :cool:

[pauldiss]

Hi Guys,

Just been looking at my options for my car, I have noticed alot of AA supercherger kits on M3's, but was wondering if anyone has fitted an ESS Kit to thier car, if they have how does it run?

The only reason is I have just seen a video of Mr Carbon, and bloody hell does that car shift:eek:

I know there will be pro's and con's with both kits, but which would you go for?

If I could have your feed back would be very gratefull,

Thanks,

Paul.

[peppernick]

One piece of advice I would give with regards to S/Cing is make sure you choose a kit that has been tried and tested and with very good back up support. So far the Active Autowerk A/C is genuinely bolt and play and CA Automotive has done enough installs to know the set up in detail.

ESS Vortech is a good name, but unless you're based in the US or Norway, back up service is not as good as AA Tuning, in the UK at least. Remember Mr Carbon's S/Ced CSL is not your average S/Ced M3, in fact it's very far from one. First of all, Mr Carbon's project is practically an open cheque book project. He has rebuilt the engine several times, and he has the expertise to mantain his car to his own specifications, lots of custom work. There is no way you could get that sort of power and reliability with just a simple bolt on Vortech S/C.

AA Tuning, you can upgrade as and when your budget allows. Stage one to Stage 3, and Stage 4 if you involve yourself in some R&D.

[pauldiss]

Thanks for the advice,

So AA is the better option for the uk then, I am still waiting on a reply from Dan to see if he will sell, but he is having a load more engine work done and bigger supercharger fitted, so I think that will be a no.

So that leads me in to my next question before I ring roy, what are my options as to stages, stage 2 or 3?

I am thinking stage three.

Thanks,

Paul.

[318:(]

Hi Paul

you wont be able to get stage 3, only a few hardcore FI junkies have been able to get there hands on it.

Our member on here who has it and to buy it used from a FI legend in the states!

Also with stage 2 you get warranty.

[pauldiss]

I see,

So stage three is not yet available, so I will have to go for stage two.

Does anyone have any Idea when it will be available? Plus what do you guys think of Motec Ecu's are they worth the money?

Paul.